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AP: How about allowing voice communications? Anderson: No. Our customer survey data tell us that consumers do not want that on the airplane. AP: Business travelers are willing to pay a premium to fly Delta. What about the guy just looking for the fare that's $10 cheaper on Expedia.com? Anderson: Well, we believe that we are in the market to serve all customers. From the value-minded customer that wants to buy four months ahead of time to the IBMs and Procter & Gambles of the world (which buy at the last minute). It's still an incredibly competitive marketplace, with American, United, Delta, Southwest, Jet Blue, Spirit and Allegiant. Which is how it should be. AP: We've had 9/11, we've had volcanic ash, we've had Federal Aviation Administration furloughs. What's the thing that's keeping you up at night? Anderson: You know, I don't know that there's really anything that keeps us up at night. The business is running well and continues to run well. There are risks out there, but I think the industry is now consolidated to a point where we have a very stable model. AP: And oil prices? Anderson: We assume oil is going to stay high, and even if it doesn't we would rather build our business plan assuming jet fuel is going to be $4.40 or $4.50 a gallon in a few years. AP: Whose idea was it to buy an oil refinery? Anderson: Well, we actually first started looking at buying an oil company. We didn't have one picked out. You've got to take control over every aspect of your business. You can't let any of your suppliers dictate the way the refiners were dictating to us. Our business model has to capture the full cost of fuel, but when it's $12 billion, you've got to invest and figure out how you're going to keep that cost under your control. We talked about oil companies, we talked about refineries. It took us a couple of years, but then this one came on the market for the price of a 787.
AP: How often do you check your stock price? Anderson: You know, some days I don't check it. You know what I check more than that? I check fuel and crack spreads, unit revenue, and how the airline is running. AP: What's a day like for you? Are you one of those guys who's there at 6 a.m.? Anderson: Well see, you make it sound like it's an "I" problem. It's not an "I" problem, it's a "we" problem, right? AP: I realize that you're not gassing up the planes. Anderson: I live a normal life like you guys do. I get up in the morning and drive to work and get to work and have meetings. I live close to the office, so my trip is 15 minutes. Atlanta may have a traffic problem but it doesn't have a New York problem. I get up really early, do my email, and drink coffee with my wife, pet the dog, get in the car, drive to work, drink coffee on my way to work, get in the office and bother Ed. AP: As you fly around, where do you sit? Anderson: I was in row 28 coming up here. I wear my badge. And I fly in coach. AP: And enough people know what you look like? Anderson: Oh, yeah, because of that movie. (Anderson introduces the pre-flight safety video). That's when you get the newspaper and kind of go like this (raises imaginary newspaper over his eyes). AP: Do you always fly coach, even on long-haul to Asia? Anderson: I've done long-haul to Asia. You know what I like to try to do? I like to try to fly on the competition when I go long-haul. I take my little black book and just make notes and observe what's going on and how the airports are operating, and how your competitors are operating. AP: You were once a prosecutor. How do you get into this mindset, of dealing with operational data and redcoats? Anderson: Well, just when you're a bad lawyer, you've got to be able to do something more productive. ... I've done a lot of different things. Lawyer. I even spent time as the chief counsel to the criminal trial court judges in Houston. United Health Group was a lot of fun. AP: What have you learned about managing from all those jobs? Anderson: It's probably just a mishmash of a lot of little rules, right? You know, always return your phone calls promptly, always be on time for your meetings. Always be the person that people look forward to go into a meeting with. Don't ask people to do things you wouldn't do. Be kind to people. I don't know
-- it's probably how you were raised or something. I was raised in a very big Catholic family, so you know, you were taught to be polite.
I never took a business course in school. I didn't take an accounting class in school. I thought I was going to practice law, but I got married and had children. My mother and father died from cancer, my dad, when I was 20, my mom when I was 21, after long illnesses. I just didn't have any money. So I went to night law school. You get out and you go, "Well I'm just going to practice law." Then you get married and have a child and you've still got student loans. Sue said, "When are we going to ever pay off these student loans?" So, you know, I think life is serendipitous in that regard. AP: Did you get those student loans paid off? Anderson: I did, finally, but I was the vice president at Northwest Airlines. It took a while. AP: Well, if your interest rate is low enough, then maybe it's prudent debt? Anderson: No. As you learn at airlines, there's no such thing as prudent debt. That's the lesson, we've learned it.
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