Mueller says Trump was not exonerated; Trump declares victory
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[July 25, 2019]
By David Morgan and Jan Wolfe
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former Special
Counsel Robert Mueller emphasized on Wednesday he had not exonerated
Donald Trump of obstruction of justice, as the president has claimed,
but his long-awaited congressional testimony did little to add momentum
to any Democratic impeachment ambitions and Trump heartily declared
victory.
In seven hours of congressional testimony, Mueller accused Trump of not
always being truthful, called his support for the 2016 release of stolen
Democratic emails "problematic" and said Russia would again try to
interfere in the 2020 U.S. elections.
"They are doing it while we sit here. And they expect to do it in our
next election," Mueller told lawmakers in back-to-back hearings on his
inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election to boost
Republican Trump's candidacy.
Despite Mueller's assertion that Trump could be indicted after leaving
office, the president was triumphant after the former FBI director's
appearances before the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives
Judiciary and Intelligence committees.
"This was a very big day for the Republican Party. And you could say
this was a great day for me, but I don't even like to say that," Trump
said after Mueller's lengthy and at times halting testimony during which
he sometimes could not hear questions and had to correct at least one
answer
During a day of high-stakes political theater, Mueller, 74, answered
questions publicly for the first time on his investigation, with
Democrats and Republicans taking familiar positions at a time of deep
U.S. partisan divisions.
The marathon televised hearings apparently left Democrats who control
the House no closer to launching the impeachment process to try to
remove the president even as he seeks re-election in 2020.
Mueller, for his part, refused to discuss the "impeachment issue."
'DEMOCRATS HAD NOTHING' -TRUMP
"The Democrats had nothing," Trump told reporters outside the White
House as he was leaving on a trip to West Virginia. "And now they have
less than nothing. And I think they're going to lose the 2020 election
very big, including congressional seats, because of the path that they
choose."
Democrats said they would go to court this week to enforce a subpoena of
former White House counsel Don McGahn and to ask for grand jury material
related to Mueller's probe.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gave no sign she was speeding up her
step-by-step approach to considering impeachment, saying: "We want to
have the strongest possible case, to make a decision as to what path we
will go down."
Mueller spent 22 months investigating what he concluded was Russian
interference in a "sweeping and systematic fashion" in the 2016 U.S.
election to help Trump as well as the president's actions to impede the
inquiry.
Mueller defended the inquiry's integrity under repeated attack by
Trump's conservative Republican allies. The president lauded those
lawmakers as "incredible warriors."
Democrats who wanted Mueller to bolster their case for impeachment or
provide game-changing testimony about the president, and Republicans who
wanted to show that the investigation was a politically motivated hit
job on Trump engineered by his enemies, may have come away frustrated.
Mueller, a reluctant witness who appeared only after being subpoenaed,
often gave terse responses like "I can't speak to that," "I'm not going
to get into that," and "It is beyond my purview," or merely referred
lawmakers to the text of his 448-page investigative report.
The Judiciary Committee's Democratic chairman, Jerrold Nadler, said
Mueller had endured "repeated and grossly unfair personal attacks" and
that no one, including Trump, was "above the law." The Intelligence
Committee's Democratic chairman, Adam Schiff, accused Trump's 2016
campaign of "disloyalty to country" for inviting, encouraging and making
full use of Russian election meddling.
Republican lawmakers tried to paint Mueller's investigation as unfair to
the president, with Louie Gohmert telling the decorated Vietnam War
veteran and longtime federal prosecutor: "You perpetuated injustice,"
and Guy Reschenthaler calling the manner in which the inquiry was
conducted "un-American."
"Welcome, everyone, to the last gasp of the Russian collusion conspiracy
theory," said Devin Nunes, the Intelligence Committee's top Republican.
Mueller's report, released in redacted form on April 18, did not reach a
conclusion on whether Trump committed the crime of obstruction of
justice with his actions aimed at undermining the inquiry, but did not
exonerate him. The report also said the inquiry found insufficient
evidence to establish that Trump and his campaign had engaged in a
criminal conspiracy with Russia.
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Former special counsel Robert Mueller, accompanied by his top aide
in the investigation Aaron Zebley, testifies before the House
Intelligence Committee hearing on his report on Russian election
interference, on Capitol Hill, in Washington, D.C., U.S. July 24,
2019. Alex Brandon/Pool via Reuters
Trump has said the Mueller inquiry resulted in the president's
"complete and total exoneration."
"Did you actually totally exonerate the president?" Nadler asked
Mueller during the first hearing.
"No," Mueller replied.
Mueller testified that his inquiry was conducted in "a fair and
independent manner" and that members of the special counsel's team
"were of the highest integrity."
Trump, however, was unsparing in his criticism.
"I think Robert Mueller did a horrible job, both today and with
respect to the investigation," Trump said, adding that as special
counsel, Mueller "ruined people's lives" and was part of an
attempted "illegal overthrow."
"There was no defense to this ridiculous hoax, this witch hunt
that's been going on for a long time," Trump added.
Mueller testified that the investigation was neither a witch hunt
nor a hoax.
MUELLER'S REVERSAL
Mueller caused confusion when he testified while being questioned by
Democratic Representative Ted Lieu during the first hearing that he
would have sought to indict Trump were it not for a Justice
Department policy against bringing criminal charges against a
sitting president. But hours later at the outset of the second
hearing, Mueller corrected himself.
"As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not
reach a determination as to whether the president committed a
crime," Mueller said.
Mueller added that a president could be charged with a crime after
leaving office.
Democrats entered the hearings hoping his testimony would rally
public support behind their own investigations of the president and
his administration. Democrats are deeply divided over whether to
launch the impeachment process set out in the U.S. Constitution for
removing a president from office for "high crimes and misdemeanors."
Trump has accused Mueller of having conflicts of interest, including
saying Mueller wanted the president to appoint him as FBI director
after firing James Comey in May 2017. Mueller disputed Trump's
account, saying he had not sought the FBI job from Trump. The
Justice Department named Mueller as special counsel later that
month.
Questioned by Democrat Val Demings, Mueller said he "generally"
agreed that Trump's written answers to his investigators were not
always truthful after the president refused to submit to a
face-to-face interview. Mueller also said his team decided not to
exercise its subpoena powers against Trump to force an interview
last year because of "the necessity of expediting the end of the
investigation."
Asked about Trump's past comments praising WikiLeaks - the website
that published stolen Democratic emails the inquiry found were
hacked by Russians to harm Trump's election opponent, Hillary
Clinton - Mueller said: "'Problematic' is an understatement."
"Let me say one more thing," Mueller said. "Over the course of my
career, I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The
Russian government's effort to interfere with our election is among
the most serious."
Under questioning, Mueller said his report detailed "multiple acts
by the president that were capable of exerting undue influence over
law enforcement investigations, including the Russian interference
and obstruction investigations."
He added: "The finding indicates ... that the president was not
exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed."
Mueller's investigation led to criminal charges against 34 people
and three Russian entities. People who were convicted at trial or
pleaded guilty included Trump's former campaign chairman, deputy
chairman and other aides.
(Reporting by David Morgan and Jan Wolfe; Additional reporting by
Doina Chiacu, Sarah N. Lynch, Makini Brice, Susan Cornwell, Richard
Cowan and Patricia Zengerle; Writing by Will Dunham and Arshad
Mohammed; Editing by Jonathan Oatis and Peter Cooney)
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