Republican lawmakers storm hearing room, disrupt Trump impeachment
inquiry
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[October 24, 2019]
By Richard Cowan, Patricia Zengerle and Mark Hosenball
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. House of
Representatives impeachment inquiry devolved into chaos on Wednesday as
Republican lawmakers, encouraged by President Donald Trump to get
tougher in fighting Democratic efforts to impeach him over dealings with
Ukraine, stormed into a high-security hearing room and delayed testimony
by a witness.
The more than two dozen Republican lawmakers, who were not authorized to
attend the hearing, entered before Laura Cooper, the U.S. defense
official who oversees Ukraine and Russia matters, was due to testify
behind closed doors before Republican and Democratic lawmakers.
The Republicans yelled complaints that the Democrats in charge of the
inquiry were conducting it in private, lawmakers and aides said.
Republicans who are members of the three congressional committees
conducting the inquiry have taken part in the process throughout.
After a delay of about four hours, Cooper began her testimony.
It was a dramatic confrontation in the House of Representatives inquiry
that threatens Republican Trump's presidency even as he seeks
re-election next year.
Democrats are investigating whether there are grounds to impeach Trump
over his July 25 request in a phone call to Ukrainian President
Volodymyr Zelenskiy to investigate a domestic political rival, former
Vice President Joe Biden. Biden is a front-runner for the 2020
Democratic presidential nomination.
Zelenskiy agreed during the call. U.S. security aid that had been
approved by the U.S. Congress but was being withheld from Ukraine was
later provided.
Federal election law prohibits candidates from accepting foreign help in
an election.
The content of the phone call was revealed by a whistleblower complaint
against Trump by a person in a U.S. intelligence agency.
The top Republicans on the three committees sent a letter to House
Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff on Wednesday calling on him
to have the whistleblower testify publicly. They said Schiff had decided
that the committees would not hear the whistleblower's testimony. A
Schiff spokesman declined to comment.
People familiar with the matter had said negotiations for the
whistleblower's testimony were complicated. Trump had suggested the
person committed treason, leading Democrats to worry that their
testimony could put them at risk of exposure.
'FAIR AND OPEN PROCESS'
By having Republican lawmakers barge into the hearing room, Trump's
allies sought to put the focus on what they portray as unfair Democratic
tactics rather than on the president's conduct.
Late on Wednesday, House Republican Whip Steve Scalise, who led the
confrontation, told reporters, "There are going to be other things done
to push even harder to have a fair and open process."
Although the Republicans complained of a lack of transparency in the
inquiry, the U.S. Constitution gives the House wide latitude in how to
conduct the impeachment process and set rules for the probe. It is being
held in a secure room used to brief lawmakers about confidential or
sensitive material.
"They're freaked out. They're trying to stop this investigation,"
Democratic Representative Ted Lieu said of the Republicans. "They know
more facts are going to be delivered which are absolutely damning to the
president of the United States."
Republicans brought cellphones into the facility even though electronic
devices are forbidden and an Intelligence Committee official said some
refused to remove them. The House parliamentarian ruled that the
Republican lawmakers violated House rules, the official added.
Schiff told reporters that the witnesses testifying in the inquiry have
defied the White House efforts to keep them silent and that "the
president has urged his acolytes in Congress to use other means to try
to prevent their testimony. But they won't be successful."
Trump on Monday told reporters that "Republicans have to get tougher and
fight" the impeachment, saying the Democrats are "vicious and they stick
together."
Trump also criticized his Republican critics on Twitter, writing: "The
Never Trumper Republicans, though on respirators with not many left, are
in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our Country than the Do
Nothing Democrats. Watch out for them, they are human scum!"
Before the hearing room was stormed, dozens of House Republicans
appeared before reporters denouncing the impeachment process as a
"joke," a "railroad job," a "charade" and "Soviet-style." They
complained that testimony was being taken privately rather than in
public hearings and that the House did not hold a vote formally
authorizing the investigation.
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Congressman Adam Schiff (D-CA) leaves after a closed-door deposition
from Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper as part of
the U.S. House of Representatives impeachment inquiry into U.S.
President Donald Trump on Capitol Hill in Washington, U.S., October
23, 2019. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas
'WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DETERRED'
Cooper, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia,
Ukraine and Eurasia, began testifying on Wednesday afternoon after
the standoff ended, an Intelligence Committee official said. Cooper
was expected to face questions about Trump's decision this year to
withhold $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine.
Cooper had initially agreed to testify voluntarily but after
pushback from the Pentagon was subpoenaed by the House Intelligence
Committee early on Wednesday, according to an official working on
the impeachment probe.
In an Oct. 22 letter to Cooper's attorney that was seen by Reuters,
the Pentagon suggested Cooper could not be "sanctioned for refusing
to comply" with a subpoena and reminded her of White House guidance
that personnel could not participate in the inquiry.
In testimony on Tuesday, William Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat in
Ukraine, said Trump had made aid contingent on the Ukrainian
president announcing he would investigate Biden, his son Hunter
Biden's tenure on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, and a
debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine meddled in the 2016 U.S.
presidential election.
So far, few Republicans have appeared inclined toward Trump's
removal, though there have been some cracks in their support.
Senator John Thune, the Senate's No. 2 Republican, told reporters
that the picture painted by Taylor's testimony "based on the
reporting that we've seen is not a good one."
The inquiry could lead to the House passing formal charges known as
articles of impeachment, prompting a trial in the
Republican-controlled Senate on whether to remove Trump from office.
Democratic lawmakers hope to complete the impeachment inquiry by
year's end and are coalescing around two articles of impeachment:
abuse of power and obstruction, lawmakers and aides told Reuters.
The next deposition is set for Saturday, when Philip Reeker, the
acting U.S. assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian
affairs, is expected to appear, an official working on the
impeachment inquiry said.
Former deputy national security adviser Charles Kupperman is
expected to appear on Monday and National Security Council official
Timothy Morrison is due to give testimony on Oct. 31, the official
said.
Democratic Representative David Cicilline told reporters that
holding the depositions in private protects the integrity of the
inquiry.
"One of the reasons you do these in private is because you want to
prevent witnesses from attempting to align their testimony to the
testimony of another witness by watching it or reading a transcript.
It's how you protect the integrity of any investigation," Cicilline
said.
Democratic Representative Eric Swalwell added, "We see this as an
effort not only to intimidate this witness but also to intimidate
future witnesses from coming forward. It's not going to work. We're
not going to be deterred."
Republican Representative Mark Meadows told reporters after Cooper's
testimony that he wanted to hear from more witnesses with
"first-hand knowledge" of the events.
(For a graphic on 'The impeachment inquiry' click https://tmsnrt.rs/30NregM)
(Reporting by Richard Cowan, Patricia Zengerle, Mark Hosenball and
David Morgan; Additional reporting by Phil Stewart, Jonathan Landay,
Amanda Becker and Susan Heavey; Writing by Will Dunham and Amanda
Becker; Editing by Grant McCool and Clarence Fernandez)
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