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Williamson also tried to counter government allegations the doctor tried to make money by churning patients through the clinic, saying it had 10,000 patients in part because it was one of the few clinics willing to take Medicaid patients. Schneider testified the clinic was reimbursed just $15-$20 for Medicaid patients for what otherwise would have been a $65 office visit. "The government wants the jury to believe for $15-$20 a person you were willing risk your livelihood, your life?" Williamson asked. Schneider replied, "I guess so." The doctor testified that if he had just been interested in money, he would have stopped treated Medicaid patients and focused on patients with better-paying insurance. He said he asked other area physicians to take on some of his Medicaid patients at a 2005 medical conference in Wichita, but they declined. During the afternoon, Schneider went through the medical records of three of the patients in whose deaths he is charged, explaining visit-by-visit his treatment decisions. He denied earlier testimony from other witnesses that he referred to patients who died of overdoses as "bad grapes" and that he and his wife conspired to make money as drug pushers. He told jurors his wife, who is a nurse, handled employee issues and did not oversee clinical care. Schneider's testimony came on the day his Haysville clinic, seized earlier by the government, was put up for auction.
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